The 2015 Lincoln Navigator Fools You With Modern Architecture

"Mailbox Cancer" (mailboxcancer) 01/23/2014 at 12:41 • Filed to: Lincoln Navigator

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It appears the 2015 Lincoln Navigator has broken through the various automotive press quarantines, and now it is open season for the sarcastic journalist folk and anyone with an asshole opinion to shit all over LiMoCo's Escalade-wannabe. Great, let's begin.

Despite the opening above, I'm really the last person on earth to get serious about ridiculing a designer's or design team's work. As much as some people want to burn Chris Bangle at the stake for ruining an entire generation of BMWs, I'm not sure if I want to go down that road with arguably the most archaic design to ever grace any given Ford/Lincoln dealership since the decidedly pre-Industrial Revolution Ford Super Duty.

In most ways, the 2015 Lincoln Navigator is no different. It appears this is a heavy effort in the facelift department, as expected, but you immediately recognize architectural cues that bring up red flags everywhere. Just for starters, look at the daylight opening on the side profile of the vehicle and start whispering to yourself, "Oh shit ... not again."

Same story on the inside. A current-gen F150 steering wheel is recycled with a slapped-on Lincoln logo, as if to completely confuse me about exactly what vehicle I'm driving, and despite claims of brand-spanking-new interior appointments and materials, it's obvious that the same underlying architecture and layout was– again –recycled. Oh Lincoln.

All of this, however, is completely forgivable to your author. The design team here has successfully retained the EXACT SAME VEHICLE from the last generation or two of Navigators and managed to make it seem somewhat fresh. The front and back façades look handsome and svelte – and if not that, a huge improvement over the chromed-out mouth guard that adorns the existing model. Fine by me, despite the rest of the vehicle looking alarmingly familiar.

Photos of this new SUV from HQ make me laugh, though. The talent they hired to make this new(ish) Lincoln look its best did it right – put it in front of some Seattle-Tacoma contemporist mansion with frosted glass garage doors and let the two shapes play off each other. After all, a box reflects a box, right?

These projections of "lifestyle" in the form of marketing photography are extremely powerful, but you'll also remember that nearly any other Range Rover or Hyundai Santa Fe would work just as perfectly in the same setting. LiMoCo wants to sell "progressive luxury" and a "confident, forward-thinking demeanor" despite being a completely expected and openly ridiculed piece of machinery that we already know way too well.

I dig the style, I think there's a lot to like, but let's not sell it as something it's not. My money is betting against some miraculous Frank Lloyd Wright resurgence in automotive prowess for this new Lincoln, and nearly every other person that graces this planet with their presence would place the same bet. In other news, water is wet and Charles and Ray Eames once designed a chair.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Mailbox Cancer 01/23/2014 at 12:43

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Stupidru > Mailbox Cancer 01/23/2014 at 12:46

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Reminds me of the STI/WRX hatchback tail light overlays

GTI MkVII > Mailbox Cancer 01/23/2014 at 12:47

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Anyone else seeing Honda Pilot similarities?

Mailbox Cancer > Stupidru 01/23/2014 at 12:48

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Also reminds me of the rear taillight cluster of the new Dodge Durango. Too bad.

Stupidru > Mailbox Cancer 01/23/2014 at 12:49

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I was thinking the same thing. That bar connecting the two lights is eerily reminiscent of the Durango

Mailbox Cancer > GTI MkVII 01/23/2014 at 12:50

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Never thought of that one initially. I think the split grille helps differentiate it, but I could see the confusion if I take my glasses off.

Mailbox Cancer > Stupidru 01/23/2014 at 12:53

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I think it works pretty nicely on the vehicle – I just wish they came up with something a little more original.

The New Garage > Stupidru 01/23/2014 at 12:56

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That and Grand Cherokee/Durango flavor.

Brewman15 > Mailbox Cancer 01/23/2014 at 13:00

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Good write-up

My favorite 'use' of background buildings and people is the new Volvo v60 pic on Volvo's website.

Ya know, cuz everyone lives in an ultra-modern house with environmentally-friendly features built into the side of a hill overlooking a forest with roof-top access to the garage while being the perfect example of a well-off, fit, and fashionably young couple

Mailbox Cancer > Brewman15 01/23/2014 at 13:03

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I love it. Contemporary architecture seems to fit a lot of new vehicles so well. Unless you're selling a '98 Bentley Azure in DuPont Registry, where you'll need a pretty big Baroque-style house in the Hamptons for a backdrop.

wtrmlnjuc > Mailbox Cancer 01/23/2014 at 13:26

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The square shape doesn't work well for the baleen.

Jason Adrian > Stupidru 01/24/2014 at 15:41

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You're crazy, man. That thing is straight Maserati Gran Turismo.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > Mailbox Cancer 01/29/2014 at 20:58

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Hopefully it is not a mid-cycle refresh, but more a bridge-the-gap refresh. Bridge the gap till a truly new model comes out.

Having said that, I do like the looks both inside and out. Perhaps a good deal can be had in the not too distant future. Either way, I'd prefer one of these over an Escalade. I like that the Navigator gets away with a more understated look, on top of that it looks grown up and sophisticated. Especially next to that ugly mug they've plastered on the Escalade.

Mailbox Cancer > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 01/29/2014 at 21:15

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I'm with you on some points here. After letting the new look settle with my eyes for about a week, I find it handsome. But let's face it: wouldn't I just want a Range Rover if I had the money?

DCCARGEEK > Mailbox Cancer 01/29/2014 at 22:30

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The Lincoln Navigator got a minor facelift (no new platform) and we are shocked that it looks similar?

Did I miss something?

TheGodDamnPope > Mailbox Cancer 01/29/2014 at 22:39

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sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Mailbox Cancer 01/29/2014 at 22:47

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Hmmm….where have I seen these taillights before...

PS9 > DCCARGEEK 01/29/2014 at 22:49

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'Shock' is not the point of the article. That we know what they're doing and why doesn't make how they manage to do it uninteresting to read about.

TheSergeMeister > Mailbox Cancer 01/29/2014 at 22:53

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reminds me of a dodge durango

Mailbox Cancer > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/29/2014 at 22:54

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YYYYUUUP.

Mailbox Cancer > DCCARGEEK 01/29/2014 at 23:02

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I think at some point, countless refreshes/facelifts on platforms that have been used since 2003 (!!! – eleven years?!?! ) deserve more people chiming in with a tone of a teenage cheer squad captain getting slapped with another dull, busy-work homework assignment, snapping her head to a tilt and unabashedly accosting her teacher in front of the entire lecture hall: " S... Seriously?!"

Mailbox Cancer > TheSergeMeister 01/29/2014 at 23:06

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Big time.

DCCARGEEK > Mailbox Cancer 01/29/2014 at 23:19

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At least they gave it a new(er) engine. Can I get amen for giving that a green light?

Frankly, I think that's the bigger story, the EcoBoost. Granted, even that is lipstick on a slightly prettier looking pig.

You make some great points especially on appointments that aren't tied to hardpoints like the steering wheel.

Mailbox Cancer > DCCARGEEK 01/29/2014 at 23:43

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The EcoBoost option is glorious, no problem there.

After letting it sit and rest on these eyes for a week or so, I think the main gripes go toward the daylight opening on the side profile and the steering wheel. Anyone who is thirteen years old and up will recognize it as their uncle's aging beater Navigator. If one can get past that (including me, I suppose), this refresh deserves to be respected. Honestly.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 01/30/2014 at 00:08

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Opinions on individual cars aside, you have to admire Cadillac for actually coming out with a legitimately all-new Escalade. This is just a front-rear facelift and an additional engine option on a vehicle that was old-fashioned to begin with. I have to say I agree with the above- given the money, I'd take a Benz ML or GL, Land Rover LR4, X5, Q7, or pretty much anything else. It's not that there's anything particularly wrong the the Gator, but all the foreign competitors are designed from the start as world class luxury SUVs which have the capability of 4x4s but drive like luxury cars. I've been in the old-new Navigator several times-it drives like a plushed-up version of the pickup truck on which it's based.

terrencel > Brewman15 01/30/2014 at 01:08

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97.3% guaranteed to be boring, talentless 'designers' at some interchangeable Manhattan ad firm.

Stef Schrader > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 01:08

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NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! YOUR BUTT IS NOT A DART!

Also, I'd much rather look at that funky house than the Expedition Redux in front of it.

Tehjew93 > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 02:32

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The Yodge is strong with this one

Mailbox Cancer > Tehjew93 01/30/2014 at 02:33

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That's gotta be a soft 'D'.

puddler > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 02:49

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doesn't fool me, these and escalades are great, the drivers are usually ignorant and they have insurance, i'd let them hit me anytime.

Squid > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 03:05

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Well you are probably correct in the fact that the chassis and powertrain options have varied slightly throughout the existence of the Expedition/Navigator platform, the '03-'06 vehicle was not like this Nav. '07 brought the "new" design which was a completely different body and interior along with getting rid of the air bags at all four corners. Your 11 year claim of the same greenhouse is wrong, I'll give you 8 years on the current platform but that is about it. Out of the now 4 generations of Navigators, gen 3 and 4 vary the least and have had the longest run so far. I still believe gen 2 was the best and if I had the desire to fund running a giant SUV I very well would probably chose to buy an '06 Nav. . . Gimme that floaty air suspension!

nellydesign > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 07:28

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Most people seeing the Escalade would hope to see similar all new machinery from Lincoln. Sadly, the two companies are in different places. Lincoln needs to dump the lion's share of its money into creating world class passenger cars FIRST. They can't afford to invest in an entirely new Navi, a model that gets outsold by the MKS. The MKS people! The Navi sold under 9000 units last year. It's not where Lincoln's focus should be and I'm glad they know that. It means someone at the helm is paying attention. Hell, the Escalade sold only ~12,000 units in the same period, so what was GM thinking? It's all well and good that they have an all new one, but it's a high cost, low volume segment and they probably lose money on it. Maybe they can afford to lose some money for the cache of an all new loss leader but Lincoln can't. If they had debuted some glitzy new Navigator at the autoshow I would have shaken my head and mourned the death of Lincoln. As it is I have hope for the future. I have no doubt a new Navigator will one day appear. But it is not this day.

MDP310 > nellydesign 01/30/2014 at 07:54

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There's a new Escalade, but there's also a new Tahoe underneath the bling. This is still the same truck with a new face and a Dodge butt.

DangerBadger > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 07:54

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Why do people drive these things? If you want to spend on luxury get an E-class or whatever sedan Lexus is making these days, and you get luxury without rolling over if you make a turn going more than 5 miles per hour. I've yet to get a reasonable explanation for owning the Escalade/Navigator/InfinityHouseCar class of things on wheels. I just don't get it.

Menebrio > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 07:54

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And they look way better on the Durango. It just looks so unmuscular on the Lincoln, its like a flat bottom.

MDP310 > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 07:54

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I think this was the best looking Lincoln face, I don't know why they dropped it.

Menebrio > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 07:55

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At least no granny tranny here.

webmonkees > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 07:56

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Aka Florida demographic. "See the confusion!"

Matthew Noel Mayotte > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:02

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All I think when I see that DLO is first gen Expedition...

zyodei > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:02

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Let's be honest: the 2013 just looks soooo much better.

That grill..it just, it just doesn't work.

Back looks stupid too, the tail lights are too short for the overall proportion.

This truck has drunk deeply of the fugly cup.

zyodei > MDP310 01/30/2014 at 08:05

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Check your calendar again.

LoveMy5.0 > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:10

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If I was in the market for a Luxo-Beast I would go for this. Simply because the Ford seats are so much nicer the 2015 Caddy/Chevy/GMC, please have a seat in the back and you will see what I mean, worst seat in the history of GM.

NG > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:15

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Looks like they just glued this light strip across the middle of the car and over the top of the side tail lights - absolutely horrible. Who hires these designers ? And who approves this shit ? No wonder Lincoln is failing

squelchuk > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:17

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Daylight openings? FFS man, get your head out the car designer handbook.

They're called WINDOWS

sp1nz1 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/30/2014 at 08:18

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*inhale....... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

Shilzy > Brewman15 01/30/2014 at 08:23

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CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!! I SEE THEM!!!!!

Masterofgoingfaster > Stupidru 01/30/2014 at 08:30

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Odyssey

Austin Yap > Stupidru 01/30/2014 at 08:39

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That WRX rear lamp looks a lot like a Maserati.

west-coaster > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:39

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The primary customers for Navigators these days will love it.

And by "primary customers," I'm referring to limousine companies. With the discontinuation of the Town Car, pretty much all the major livery services in Los Angeles have moved to large black SUVs. Lots of Escalades, Yukons, Navigators and Expeditions. Ironically, very few of the new MKT-based Town Cars.

colonelrall > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:43

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In other news, water is wet and Charles and Ray Eames once designed a chair.

Zoom > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/30/2014 at 08:44

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Kinja is your BITCH.

how did you get the pic above your post?

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/30/2014 at 08:47

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+1 +1 +1 +1.

You almost have to wonder if they didn't know what Dodge was doing, but it was too late by then? Surely they new about the Dart and Charger even if the veil had not yet been pulled off Durango.

philphil > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:48

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"Booyah". Very timely. Has anyone who was NOT a complete prick ever shouted that and meant it?

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:50

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This is what they did to T-Bird/Cougar before they put them to bed. Lights and bumpers, lights and bumpers.

Are the profit margins still what they were on this vehicle 'back in the day?' I wonder if they don't just wrap this thing up and replace it with something built on the Explorer/Flex platform that's a little more butch and upright than the MKT?

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/30/2014 at 08:51

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Personally I would love to have one with an Ecoboost to match the engine in my Taurus, haha. I am also, admittedly, a fan of Ford/Lincoln, so my opinion is skewed here :)

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:52

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Haha, I am, admittedly a big fan of Ford/Lincoln, so I would love to have one of the new Navigators with ecoboost, to match the engine currently in my Taurus :D

IFTNFS > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 08:56

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I'm a huge fan of Lincoln and I hope they have a successful turnaround like Cadillac did in the past decade. The MKZ is a nice car and a huge step in the right direction, but this is just more of the same old stuff that got them in trouble in the first place. Why pay a premium for this when you can have a Ford F-150 crew cab or Expedition with nearly all of the same options for less money?

Without a serious rethinking of product, Lincoln will never find success with the average luxury buyer. Instead, Lincoln Motor Company will stay confined to virtually the same place they've been for the last ten or fifteen years; the LiMo Company. And without a big rear-drive sedan, they're losing that market, too.

cjstangman > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:02

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The new navigator is the one that everyone thought they should have done on the last one. It is the same truck, but with beautiful incorporation of the corporate design and high quality interior materials. The only reason that people are bitching about the interior is because it looks like the old one, but it is all new! Just because the shapes are similar, doesn't make it a cheap update. An all new one is coming in a few years, and the class level of this one gives me hope for that one

Dean > DangerBadger 01/30/2014 at 09:08

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Some people have 3 kids, a dog, and a boat. And want to go to the lake on the weekend. This is the segment for the Expi/Navi/Tahoe/'Lade.

Every customer I get on one has my office PACKED with kids.

Xavier Corral > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:09

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looks like a more boring, less fuel efficient, and harder to park Durango… Im out.

PilotMan > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:10

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Does it come with the Raptor motor?

Xavier Corral > Stef Schrader 01/30/2014 at 09:10

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can't unsee..

Thipps > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:11

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really bad proportions, the lights are not only in the middle but they are extenuated with the light "bar" going all the way across. It gives it the giant forehead effect with the window

DipodomysDeserti > TheSergeMeister 01/30/2014 at 09:12

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And the Dodge Dart.

J "oppo" Zeke > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:14

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I took a photo of a BRG Continental T in front of a Palm Beach manse once, so that locale also works well for the luxury barges of the era.

ezeolla > Menebrio 01/30/2014 at 09:15

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I assume you mean column shifter. I prefer the column shifter as it opens up the center console and provides a cleaner look. Also, it's a truck, not a crossover, it should have a column shifter

Jay_Hoff > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:15

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I really fucking hate Lincoln right now. Their a fucking joke. They are setting the example on why the big three got in to trouble in the first place. Badge engineering and not giving the customer what they deserve. This is sub par for what should be expected at this price range. And I really want to meet the designer who gave it the Durango tail lights. What a fucking joke.

J "oppo" Zeke > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:18

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Remember when we all wondered what the heck Lincoln was going to do with a $1bil investment from Ford? Recall how many people opined that it wasn't even nearly enough? Here's the proof. A heavy facelift Navigator, the MKZ which was offered for testers on Ferrari-spec tires, the Escape-based MKC crossover and...

...and that's it. They're betting the farm on that MKC. If it doesn't bank, Lincoln is a dead brand selling.

AdmiralAkbar > Zoom 01/30/2014 at 09:19

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It's because he captioned the image first. Click on an image in the main post to make a caption.

tobythesandwich > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:21

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I disagree. It looks cheap and tacky to me. I mean granted it's better than miles of empty space (other than the license plate) on the rear liftgate. But the whole design of it looks like a 5 year old's rendition of what is already being used on the "less premium" Durango.

xenocyclus > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/30/2014 at 09:22

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I will never be able to NOT associate the two. Thank you.

tobythesandwich > ezeolla 01/30/2014 at 09:23

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Somewhat agreed. I don't mind trucks having console mounted shifters. But there's pretty much no reason why they can't have a column shifter. It'd be ten times better than that terrible F150 sourced shifter they've been using.

MooseKnuckles > Zoom 01/30/2014 at 09:26

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Just click on an image in the main article of the area you want in your comment.

parkingking > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:28

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Also the Honda Odyssey:

Wild Weasel > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:31

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LOL! LiMoCo... I see what you did there... :)

Hooker > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:31

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I weirdly feel like I just read a Torch article.

HiramJahoovafatJr > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:41

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What's the deal with the hair-lip grill?

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Stef Schrader 01/30/2014 at 09:45

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Did you say butt darts?

Cookies > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:45

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I've never understood why the Lincoln brand isn't just "closed for renovation" until they get their products in order. The MKZ and MKC are a good start, why not just ditch the rest of the lineup while something new, competitive is being cooked up? The brand's got so much potential but churning out stuff like this makes Ford's claims about the brand's future highly dubious and harms their reputation. This car has been around since 2003, and hasn't received a significant update since 2006. That's eight years since the last facelift.

fintail > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:45

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Recycled details - kind of like so much "modern" architecture that could be 30 or 40 or 50 or 60 years old.

I am still disappointed that the Navi dropped the 1970s looking gauge cluster.

Lars Vargas was hoping 2020 would be quieter > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 09:55

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I don't hate this design, but I sure don't like it. The side-view is clean enough and I actually like the front end's more masculine version of the split grille.

I don't care for the Dodge Durango tail lights. They're OK on a Durango, but look wrong and derivitive on the Navigator. Overall, the design is tepid and lazy and reeks of badge engineering one a very small budget. In a word: lazy.

ab124 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/30/2014 at 09:56

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corporate asses AND grilles now?!

emilminty drives an E30 but the '89 Cavalier blew a head gasket > Brewman15 01/30/2014 at 10:24

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That Volvo ad looks straight out of Unhappy Hipsters. http://unhappyhipsters.com/

Mailbox Cancer > Cookies 01/30/2014 at 10:30

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I've never understood why the Lincoln brand isn't just "closed for renovation"

AAAAHHHHH! This little snippet in your reply rang so true to me I literally screamed out loud. Thank you.

MrBowles > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 10:31

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You say Seattle-Tacoma architecture. Have you been to Tacompton? The place is a dump. Maybe more Seattle-Redmond/Bellevue architecture

Mailbox Cancer > Lars Vargas was hoping 2020 would be quieter 01/30/2014 at 10:33

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Despite it somewhat working on the rear for me, isn't it the most depressing thing about the vehicle when you think about it? Lincoln had to completely and shamelessly insert a design feature that just smacks of plagiarism? Honestly, I want to defend it, but it's difficult to keep up.

MadMax78 > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 10:36

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I don't care it is very old platford or old design and it is just a refresh, I just love it! It look awsome!!!!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 10:36

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I absolutly hate the Expedition it's the same truck they sold in o7 it even still used the old touchscreen. This is better but still awful. Aslo no one needs a vehical that size. 10/1 you'll see them with one person, no cargo, and not pulling a huge trailer.

Mailbox Cancer > cjstangman 01/30/2014 at 10:38

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I think we'll all hold a fair final judgement until some Jalopnik reader in a couple years stumbles into one on the way to the airport. "Oh, damn, I think I remember someone bitching about this on Oppo."

Menebrio > ezeolla 01/30/2014 at 10:39

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It's an SUV and a "Luxury" one at that. Look at the Escalade that it is competing against. The column shifter just looks out of place. Maybe if it where chromed (not really).

On the other hand, a solution for the luxury SUV might be to copy Jaguars knob shifter. It could be done in brushed aluminum with leather accents or whatever fancy material to give you that luxury feel. That way you still get plenty of room for your ever growing cup holders.

I actually wouldn't even discard using some sort of paddle system to switch gear (even though it is an automatic). That way you clear the column/dash and the center console.

Mailbox Cancer > tobythesandwich 01/30/2014 at 10:40

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I'll append: "Okay, this is a nice detail. But it could have been 600% better. C'mon."

I still maintain that the real feat here is, again, the designers managed to sooooomewhat effectively freshen-up a vehicle that is 13 years old. THIRTEEN years old. That nearly numbs my brain.

Mailbox Cancer > squelchuk 01/30/2014 at 10:41

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Yolo, DLO.

BarelyBoosted > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 10:42

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The entieror looks almost identical to the 2003 model my mom used to have...

CyanogenModFTW > Mailbox Cancer 01/30/2014 at 10:42

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This is the biggest deal here. The 5.4l V8 was absolutely beyond its prime.

Navigatort5 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/30/2014 at 10:43

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The only reason caddi got a whole new body is because the shit mobiles its based on where replaced. IF ford re-designed the Expedition on which the NAV is based, it to would be all new and not a facelift as well. Cadi did nothing revolutionary with the new escalade besides continue to sell an over priced tahoe for idiots that desire a badge and the feeling like they too are a rapper.

Mailbox Cancer > philphil 01/30/2014 at 10:44

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Rick Castle drives a Navigator.

Mailbox Cancer > Wild Weasel 01/30/2014 at 10:45

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Thank you for catching it.

ezeolla > Menebrio 01/30/2014 at 10:46

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I really like the Cadillac shifter, but my preferences tend to be skewed. I think the best alternative to the traditional column shifter is Mercedes' column shifter

Mailbox Cancer > CyanogenModFTW 01/30/2014 at 10:46

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I can agree.

Mailbox Cancer > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 01/30/2014 at 10:47

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Or a boat.